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hi everybody I'm bill burns yeah nancy

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burns here I were from future theatre

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and you know we like to listen to mmm

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radio on sunday nights at 9pm 9pm

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whatever oh oh the best network on the

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whole entire internet inception radio

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you

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we're live from the north iren North

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Studios up near Lake Superior northern

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Wisconsin I'm with my co-host can

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storage tonight we have on Larry Holcomb

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talking about UFOs and UFOs and

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presidents so it's going to be a good

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show tonight and I'm gonna kick it over

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to can to do his shuttle it's welcome

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Ken how was your weekend going hey it

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was pretty intense around here last

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night we had I actually watched a funnel

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cloud they were sirens going off they

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were telling everybody in salina

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Oklahoma to take cover I watched the

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funnel probably within a mile mile and a

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half of my house as it was coming down

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it did not touch ground but it tore up

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some trees I spent most of the day you

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know chainsaw on trees that got knocked

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over at my place but I know la Oklahoma

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a Broken Arrow Oklahoma got whacked

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pretty hard a lot of damage no deaths no

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injuries as far as I know but it was a

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hell of a light show I mean you could

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read a book by the lightning that was

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going on last night Wow pretty intense

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wow how close were you to the tornadoes

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about a week and a half ago there ah

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those were several I mean when I say

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several miles there were probably 15 20

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miles away and not we got a little bit

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of wind a little bit of rain but last

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night we got two and a quarter inches of

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rain in about three hours just to give

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you an idea how intense it was and we

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had 75 mile an hour winds at my house

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when I woke up this morning I spent the

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better part of the morning chainsaw on

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limbs and trees so I could get out of my

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driveway wow wow but no damage one of my

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campers had a had a tree come down on

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their camper and it it crushed it pretty

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bad but nobody was hurt thank God

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everybody's okay but it was pretty

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intense and I don't mean to make light

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of it but it was one hell of a light

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show I

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I watched it on I went out on the on the

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back deck of my house and I saw the

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funnel cloud as it was coming across the

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lake and sirens going off the cell phone

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ever telling everybody in salina

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oklahoma which is three and a half miles

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to the north of me to take immediate

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protection go into your shelter because

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they had a tornado on this I actually

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saw it but it never it was interesting

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MJ it did not touch down it hovered

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above the ground about a hundred feet

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off the ground as it went across the

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lake it was it was an awesome sight but

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thank God nobody so serious injuries and

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a little bit of damage but nothing that

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cannot be fixed very very cool can you

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got some shout outs there I do I want to

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shout out to Doug and Christy George and

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Patty Lorna up there in LA pig thank you

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very much for your hard way work jessup

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in England Rosie Jessup I know she's

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listening and she's staying up late

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Rosie I love you dearly girl thank you

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very much and I got some folks down in

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Louisiana that are tuning in and all

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those people in northeast Oklahoma thank

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you very much there you go and I got

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shout outs from I got a few this weekend

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last week I got 12 cat down in Houston

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Texas long time ayran listener we got

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Dean reigate from the south coast of

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England always listening we got yo yo

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Chino arm from Sao Paulo Brazil and then

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our friend Ryan in New York City

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listening so that's my shuttles and

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especially to uh debra anderson over in

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duluth minnesota thank you for listening

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okay I'm gonna throw back to you uh as

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you know can uh does independently

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investigate our cases of uh paranormal

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unknown but if we if you remember we're

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talking about that's that little pyramid

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in the Iraqi desert uh canizal small

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update he can give you small Ted back

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ahead can yeah I want to update our

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listeners I I told MJ before we come on

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the air I was running a little bit late

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because I was interviewing two gentlemen

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that are now Iraqi war

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trans I was reviewing their DD 214 and I

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know they're listening and I told him I

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would not mention their names just yet

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but they are who they say they are they

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were showing me pictures they were part

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of US Army Special Forces they know of

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Ryan they were not and I repeat not part

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of his detail that when they went in

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another direction into the Kuwaiti

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desert but they heard all MJ they were

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it really gave me goose pimples because

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they were talking about they heard the

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rumors there was all kinds of chatter on

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the radio in regards to whatever was

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happening with ryan and his platoon that

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went into the Kuwaiti desert in the

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first Gulf War and that's what we're

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talking about and our listeners if you

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want to catch up to what we're talking

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about I urge you to go and download the

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show that we talked about with Ryan not

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with Ryan but about Ryan and what was

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going on in the Kuwaiti desert

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concerning a supposedly allegedly a part

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of a pyramid that was sticking out of

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the desert now what's interesting about

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these two gentlemen that I was

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interviewing to and I just met him today

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it was happen chance type of meeting and

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we got to talking and they brought out

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their DD 214 s and they were showing me

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pictures of their deployment in the

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Kuwaiti desert and they are who they say

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they are and my and I want to I know the

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two boys are listening and I want to

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give them a special salute for their

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service and I want to give them a

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special salute and thank them for

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serving our country and regardless of

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what you thought of the first Iraq war

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you know does it storm or whatever right

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wrong or indifferent these two boys went

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unequivocally without question in the

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service of our country and I thank them

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for that but what's interesting is that

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are supporting what Ryan was saying

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about a special mission and they too

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were deployed ahead of the US Army to

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set up fuel depots they what they told

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me there was like 50 or 60 deployments

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that went out ahead of Desert Storm to

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set up fuel refueling stations in the

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desert for the armored vehicles when

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they crossed over in Desert Storm under

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under general Schwarzkopf and what's

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interesting is that they verified that

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communication were was lost with several

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units in the desert and they did not

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have a rational explanation because we

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were talking satellite GPS stuff this is

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all high tech stuff satellite community

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sat nav is what they refer to it as and

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there were several units that they

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completely lost not just Ryan's but

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several other units that were affected

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by whatever was going on in the Kuwaiti

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desert and so once again it is not and

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I'm telling our listeners it's not 110%

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smoking gun but it adds credence to what

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Ryan was saying about what happened to

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him in his unit in the desert and you

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need to go back and listen to that

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program to understand what we're talking

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about there you go that's coming from

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kanin ken will keep us all updated on

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the progress of that investigation yeah

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and I and I told her listeners I would

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do that as new information comes in and

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I'm able to verify it I will keep our

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listeners updated and I've got some more

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information coming so that's where we're

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at right now perfect remember you can

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feed tonight our guests Larry Holcomb is

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1950s after reading two of major Donald

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Kehoe books flying saucers are real and

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flying saucers from outer space a year

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air force officer on an Armstrong circle

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theater and seeing Kehoe being censored

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when he was deviated from the prepared

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script to Air Force forced on the show's

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producers larry was convinced that Air

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Force was covering up knowledge of you

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flying saucers later to be changed UFOs

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these events started a 50-year avocation

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into the study of research of the UFO

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phenomenon and larry has a newer book

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out called the presidents and UFOs the

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secret history from FDR to Obama so we

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stuff tonight can and talk to Larry here

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who i'm bringing in at the moment here

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so we'll hear the ringtone larry is

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talking to us via a cell phone or home

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phone so we're going to be bowling in

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Larry right now hey Larry this is MJ and

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Ken Storch from paying radio welcome to

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the show omj yeah delighted to be here I

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was just listening to Ken and maybe a

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little nervous of being that my wife and

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i'll be travelling through oklahoma on

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half probably staying in oklahoma city

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overnight and i really don't want to get

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involved in those storms that he's been

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talking about hey Larry you should have

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been here last night but it was a wild

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and woolly storm you in my house you

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could have SAT and I'm not exaggerating

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you could have read the Rocky Mountain

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one o'clock in the morning when the

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storm hit and it literally lit up the

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entire side of our house for about 45

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minutes it was one hell of a storm that

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tornado alley and you look at the

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bullseye I'm in the ten ring okay all

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but but you know what I i I'm I guess

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get turned on but I i was absolutely it

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was a jaw-dropping lorna you heard that

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jaw-dropping experience i just sat out

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on the back porch and watched his storm

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roll in at one o'clock in the morning it

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was awesome and I don't know how to

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explain it but it was Mother Nature

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flexing her muscles okay that's all I

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can say oh wait a month from now you

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won't have to worry about it man you'll

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be able to go through and there won't

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even be a slight breeze well we always

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going from the east to the west and oh

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my gosh and good people yeah the

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and and you go from beautiful fertile

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farmlands when you get into the Mexico

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up into the high desert it's just too I

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love it I love it I love ya it really is

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you can literally see the transition as

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you drive west towards New Mexico

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through Oklahoma and get into the

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Panhandle you can literally see where

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the they call it the green country and

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you start getting into the high mountain

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desert it literally it's almost like

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there's a line drawn across the map you

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go from one to the other well we always

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enjoy that we've been coming up to have

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been invited out to Roswell to the by

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the UFO Museum in roswell court since

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2011 and i just love going out there

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plus we have children back in san

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antonio area of Texas so we make a loop

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well that's why I Drive we make a loser

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it was good time with him well and I and

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I would certainly recommend anybody that

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is going to visit that part of the

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country don't fly drive yeah yeah yeah

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well I I spent a lot of time in our

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planes before I retired working as a

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Terry sales manager flying all over the

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Western Hemisphere i think in I've had

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my fellow filing especially now finds no

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fun anymore here you go there you go now

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Larry this is MJ you know what got you

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interested in in the field of ufology

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you know tell her listeners well uh

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Donald Kehoe junior in high school

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reading defining to of Donald Kehoe's

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books flying saucers from outer space

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and flying saucers real arm that Stoke

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my interest in the in the flying saucer

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subject he was quite believable I read

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some of the other books by people that

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were less than I thought less than like

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Georgia man George Adamski who I really

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thought was a little bit of a kook

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although he's gained some traction in

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later years but Kehoe fascinated me and

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with his believability his passion his

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contacts with the was the Pentagon the

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fact that he came into this and to the

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subject as a skeptic convinced by a true

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magazine editor ken w32 to investigate

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flying saucers as they were called in

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and so his books really just turned me

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on to the subject I watched him on the

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Armstrong circle creator when he was to

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debate the Air Force thought that he

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would turn the world up on his ear and

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they'd be banner headlines all around

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the world next day then I watched him

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sit meekly by while the Air Force

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what all with their usual dribble about

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then found out the next day that when

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Keo tried to get a few words in his

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microphone was cut off because he

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deviated from the script that the Air

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Force brought in so I knew immediately

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that there was a cover-up the keo was

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right that the Air Force was covering up

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it was censoring what was being said so

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for the next I guess until the 90s I

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followed the subject sort of us as a

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application and and did it quietly

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because the government had been I think

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very successful after the Robertson

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panel of 1973 of debunking the subject

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to the population in general and so that

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people that believed or gave credibility

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to flying saucers and later UFOs were

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looked on as nuts so I that's not a

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kappa to myself ah but then it great

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gain traction in the later years and

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when I took early retirement and wanted

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to write a novel and and ended up using

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the government cover-up of the et issue

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as the basis for the the basis for the

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the plot to the novel and that's sort of

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how things took off the the UFO Museum

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and Roswell saw my book they read it and

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invited me out for the first time in

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2011 as an offer and I had done some

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research background research to make the

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book is after just

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hospital came across a documentary that

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i thought was absolutely unique in the

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field of ufology which was called UFOs

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past present future and which obviously

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had the support of the government and

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there was no debunking of the of the UFO

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subject and it really supported the

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extra-terrestrial hypothesis which I

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found astounding I I brought this my my

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feeling up about this documentary and

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how unique it was to some of the people

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that I met in Roswell for the first time

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that I highly respected with Stanton

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Friedman what was one Ali Ali Andrew

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Ross and Antonio's you nice was another

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Antonio was instrumental in getting me

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in touch with the writer of the

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documentary UFOs past present future and

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co-produced with his partner Alan sanli

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he started he contacted me started

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sending me a lot of data we talked over

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the phone number of times I in today

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ended up going through his home

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retirement home in Fayetteville Arkansas

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he had been a very successful

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advertising executive in Los Angeles and

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and found out the background story which

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I won't go into here now at the time but

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which is involved but anyway the idea

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for this this book of the presidents and

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UFOs was born by talking to these

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well-known zoologist at Roswell and and

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so that's that's a quick very quick

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summation of a long story I got into

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this whole business

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sounds like you've worked with a lot of

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different up leading people that's

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awesome hey Larry and I'm a big fan of

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major Keyhoe I his book you'll for UFOs

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are real i've read probably a half a

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dozen time so let me ask you a question

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based upon your research and based upon

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what you found out do you think flying

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saucers are real oh absolutely i don't

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think there's any question about it Oh

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what they are and where they come from I

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can't say for certain so obviously I

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have month my opinions but as far as

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being real i don't think there's any

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question but we are dealing with a

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phenomena that's absolutely real and and

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and and i'm talking about true flying

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saucers which i like to call them flying

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saucers amen Larry thank you very much I

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don't like the term UFO that's something

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the government gave us thank you so much

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for saying it i thought i was the only

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voice out there no offense MJ well it's

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it's when you talk about UFOs it's such

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a broad term that amen and you know that

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you hear even speakers and and and your

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final just that I respect greatly rain

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will they will talk in their lectures

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about well ninety-five percent of of UFO

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sightings can be explained it's the five

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percent that we're interested in hey I'm

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even more conservative than than that

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Larry give me two percent all I need is

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one okay well you're right you're right

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with what I say is take that ninety-five

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percent that's safe take it away and the

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five percent or two percent whatever is

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left that's because one hundred percent

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exactly real UFO or flying saucers as i

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like to call them and and that's what we

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should be looking at and just

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disregarding this chase and

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no put it over there and say that's a

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hundred percent of unidentified

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sightings by somebody that can be shown

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as being prosaic it's this five percent

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or three percent or two percent of what

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have you yeah just give me one of one

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percent okay all I need is one and it's

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out there and we've seen it that's

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exactly right I couldn't agree with you

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more Larry what do you think the most

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compelling evidence to date to to say

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these UFOs are real watch what do you

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think is stands out the most compelling

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evidence well I would first of all I'm a

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strong advocate of Roswell an

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extraterrestrial event but I don't

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really know link absolutely one hundred

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percent I'm with you on that one buddy

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okay team Jen I think that I think Japan

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Airlines flight what's the flight number

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i can't remember you Mike oh you know

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Japan Airlines flight over Alaska oh

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absolutely yeah I think that's another

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Rendlesham forest is another I think

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rooms I don't go into that in the book

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Nick Pope or contributed to the book but

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he covers that so well and I'm really

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primarily except for the Iranian event

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most of the events that i've covered in

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my book our domestic events the one

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event event that i missed and i'm and i

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hope that there will be a reprinting of

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the book so that i can include it is the

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RB 47 event over the gulf of mexico in

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the eastern United States I don't know

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how miss daddy left that out of the book

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but it should have been included because

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that's an extremely extremely important

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hey Larry what now that you brought it

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up can you tell our listeners briefly

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what our b747 what that was all about

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our beef

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27 was a b-47 bomber that had been

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converted to a surveillance a

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surveillance aircraft primarily

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detecting radar on the ground now it had

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very sophisticated and electronic

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equipment in a diet of the most

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sophisticated electronic equipment

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available at the time and it was a on a

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training mission before being sent

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overseas and the flight originated

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somewhere in Oklahoma oh and i forget

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the air base at oklahoma and lately i

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think they're into space tinker right it

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flew from tinker into Texas I think it

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probably well anyway it turned eastward

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in Texas and went went into the Gulf of

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Mexico somewhere east of San Antonio and

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the flow of the Gulf of Mexico then then

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turn west and started back into the US

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over somewhere around mobile I believe

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and as it did so it picked up a one of

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the operators in the in the aircraft

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picked up an object that he thought was

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a he was picking up a radar signal from

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the ground as a turn though the object

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was moving and he kept watching it but

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he didn't say anything because the rest

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of the crew members but he watched this

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object of the long side had disappeared

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I think the planes flew on somewhere

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toward meridian mississippi then turn

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west again and headed back to texas when

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all of a sudden the pilot

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aw a light a very brilliant light that

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was stalking the plane well they were

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picking in that started picking it up

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again and the the operators in the back

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of the plane was the electron a year I

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can't remember the pilot ask them if

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they they were picking up anything or

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they reported it to him but the the the

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engineer one of the engineers in the

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back of the plane told the pilot I have

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seen this object on our scopes earlier I

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didn't report it to you because I

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thought it was a ground radar until it

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appeared to be moving but anyway i

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disregarded it because it disappeared so

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the pilot was seeing it then this object

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started playing cat and mouse with this

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Barbie 47 as it flew West on into Texas

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the pilot contacted ground radar ground

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radar started picking it up they saw it

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so you had you had ground radar that was

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tracking it you had the electronic

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equipment in the RB 47 that was tracking

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it and you had visual confirmation from

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the pilot and co-pilot in the in the

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cockpit of seeing this thing they tried

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to ask ground control to let them

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maneuver around I think they actually

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00:29:30,620 --> 00:29:27,559
did a three hundred or a couple of

539
00:29:34,610 --> 00:29:30,630
360-degree turns to get away from it or

540
00:29:39,049 --> 00:29:34,620
to get close to it and the object just

541
00:29:40,820 --> 00:29:39,059
turned with them oh this and I'm not

542
00:29:43,669 --> 00:29:40,830
doing the story justice because I

543
00:29:46,370 --> 00:29:43,679
haven't studied it in jet and depth as I

544
00:29:49,539 --> 00:29:46,380
said I didn't put it in the book but

545
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:49,549
this went on for I think an hour or more

546
00:29:59,210 --> 00:29:52,770
the plane was finally running low on

547
00:30:02,840 --> 00:29:59,220
fuel return to tinker and and somewhere

548
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:02,850
in route back to Oklahoma the object

549
00:30:08,810 --> 00:30:05,850
left the plane but it's a

550
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:08,820
we go ahead no no I I don't mean in a

551
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:11,840
rub but I I think this is important but

552
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:16,530
there was all kinds of physical data

553
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:18,240
concerning this and I'm talking about

554
00:30:23,419 --> 00:30:21,210
radar there was radio conversations

555
00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:23,429
going on I mean everybody knew that this

556
00:30:28,779 --> 00:30:25,289
plane was being shadowed by something

557
00:30:31,220 --> 00:30:28,789
that was unexplained right but on the

558
00:30:34,220 --> 00:30:31,230
excuse me and uncorrelated target

559
00:30:36,740 --> 00:30:34,230
exactly right right right right I think

560
00:30:40,970 --> 00:30:36,750
that's important okay because you know

561
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:40,980
so many times and to use this word

562
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:43,890
skeptics people that don't believe that

563
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:48,210
we're being surveyed surveillance

564
00:30:51,890 --> 00:30:49,650
whatever you want to call it by another

565
00:30:54,980 --> 00:30:51,900
race of beans it has a technological

566
00:30:57,049 --> 00:30:54,990
event managed over us but once again

567
00:30:59,210 --> 00:30:57,059
we're talking about military radar

568
00:31:01,180 --> 00:30:59,220
military planes that was involved in an

569
00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:01,190
operation that they had an uncorrelated

570
00:31:12,130 --> 00:31:06,710
target right great yeah okay okay guys

571
00:31:15,980 --> 00:31:12,140
we did it again it's very similar to

572
00:31:20,049 --> 00:31:15,990
thee to the Japan Airlines Alaska

573
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:20,059
incident where I'm had you had the

574
00:31:27,049 --> 00:31:24,330
Anchorage approach radar tracking the

575
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:27,059
object you had Elmendorf Air Force Base

576
00:31:32,570 --> 00:31:30,210
is tracking the object you had visual

577
00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:32,580
from the flight flight crews and not

578
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:34,049
only that but you had visual from

579
00:31:39,020 --> 00:31:36,450
another plane that's they didn't see the

580
00:31:41,270 --> 00:31:39,030
object but they saw the light that's

581
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:41,280
exactly right you're exactly right and

582
00:31:47,299 --> 00:31:45,210
then you had John Callahan from the FAA

583
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:47,309
who was brought into the picture

584
00:31:57,130 --> 00:31:50,250
examined all the tapes all of the all of

585
00:31:59,690 --> 00:31:57,140
the telemetry and then after he retired

586
00:32:01,370 --> 00:31:59,700
nobody knew that he had the copies of

587
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:01,380
all these tapes so this all the stuff

588
00:32:06,980 --> 00:32:03,330
went public it's on the internet on the

589
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:06,990
internet and you see folks it goes back

590
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:08,490
to the three things that I talked about

591
00:32:15,770 --> 00:32:11,570
earlier okay reasonable suspicion and

592
00:32:17,690 --> 00:32:15,780
then you have probable cause and then

593
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:17,700
you have proof beyond a reasonable doubt

594
00:32:21,930 --> 00:32:19,570
and I'm going to tell you set up Larry

595
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:21,940
I think in this case we got all three

596
00:32:25,650 --> 00:32:23,890
and i'm speaking from a cop's point of

597
00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:25,660
view there you go guys well we hit our

598
00:32:29,190 --> 00:32:27,760
first break we went a little over but i

599
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:29,200
couldn't interrupt you Larry you were on

600
00:32:34,620 --> 00:32:32,530
a roll and doing great stuff yeah I'm

601
00:32:36,780 --> 00:32:34,630
sorry I didn't talk to you no no

602
00:32:39,180 --> 00:32:36,790
apologize i love it what are you talking

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researcher Larry Holcomb I gotta do one

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679
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cool so Larry why the cover-up by the

680
00:36:53,730 --> 00:36:49,600
military in the US government what do

681
00:36:58,020 --> 00:36:53,740
you think the reasons are Oh many

682
00:37:03,150 --> 00:36:58,030
reasons rate that's a that's a big

683
00:37:04,650 --> 00:37:03,160
question of Technology mm-hmm I think

684
00:37:06,540 --> 00:37:04,660
that I think the bottom line of this

685
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:06,550
technology there's you know there's also

686
00:37:16,170 --> 00:37:12,010
some theories that that religion would

687
00:37:19,830 --> 00:37:16,180
crumble or people would panic I don't

688
00:37:23,580 --> 00:37:19,840
buy that I first of all I think as far

689
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:23,590
as religion goes the Catholic Church has

690
00:37:29,700 --> 00:37:26,640
come out and said that if there are

691
00:37:34,350 --> 00:37:29,710
extraterrestrials that they they come

692
00:37:38,970 --> 00:37:34,360
under the same guidance of God that we

693
00:37:41,970 --> 00:37:38,980
do as far as the people panicking I

694
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:41,980
think that we become become

695
00:37:49,710 --> 00:37:46,570
sophisticated enough now that living

696
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:49,720
under the threat of nuclear warfare for

697
00:37:54,190 --> 00:37:51,200
so many years

698
00:37:56,740 --> 00:37:54,200
under mad mutually assured destruction

699
00:38:00,160 --> 00:37:56,750
and what have you for so many years I

700
00:38:04,839 --> 00:38:00,170
think we've become sophisticated enough

701
00:38:07,420 --> 00:38:04,849
that if the disclosure came about in

702
00:38:09,940 --> 00:38:07,430
some manner I don't think it's going to

703
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:09,950
be from me from the government of the

704
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:13,570
president of the president of France Oh

705
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:19,210
anywhere I think it would be a probably

706
00:38:24,490 --> 00:38:21,890
because of some event that happened that

707
00:38:28,270 --> 00:38:24,500
we couldn't control but I think the

708
00:38:29,950 --> 00:38:28,280
people would just if disclosure did come

709
00:38:31,900 --> 00:38:29,960
about they would shrug your shoulders

710
00:38:35,620 --> 00:38:31,910
and say gee that's really interesting

711
00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:35,630
and get on with their lives right that's

712
00:38:40,829 --> 00:38:38,480
that's that's my opinion right right

713
00:38:43,060 --> 00:38:40,839
Russia's waking up these days though

714
00:38:45,790 --> 00:38:43,070
yeah yeah they're kind of with the

715
00:38:51,819 --> 00:38:45,800
sleeping giants waking a little again go

716
00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:51,829
ahead tent I'm sorry hey Larry this I'm

717
00:38:57,250 --> 00:38:55,730
we were talking off during the break and

718
00:39:02,800 --> 00:38:57,260
we were talking about what occurred

719
00:39:05,319 --> 00:39:02,810
during the early 70s and specifically I

720
00:39:08,650 --> 00:39:05,329
mean that's how I got involved in okay

721
00:39:14,890 --> 00:39:08,660
the bug bit me in nineteen October of

722
00:39:18,609 --> 00:39:14,900
1973 and I want to ask you that error

723
00:39:23,140 --> 00:39:18,619
between the early 70s there was an awful

724
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:23,150
lot of military contact with something

725
00:39:28,569 --> 00:39:26,000
that they weren't able to identify that

726
00:39:32,410 --> 00:39:28,579
being ET flying saucers I don't like to

727
00:39:35,859 --> 00:39:32,420
term you a foe like you so do you do you

728
00:39:37,690 --> 00:39:35,869
think that the government knows a lot

729
00:39:39,339 --> 00:39:37,700
more or do you think that they're just

730
00:39:41,079 --> 00:39:39,349
in the dark like we are and they were

731
00:39:44,819 --> 00:39:41,089
afraid to admit it I've heard I've had

732
00:39:47,890 --> 00:39:44,829
that question posed so I'm asking you um

733
00:39:49,630 --> 00:39:47,900
I think they know a lot more I think

734
00:39:55,710 --> 00:39:49,640
there's a I think that there is a

735
00:39:59,770 --> 00:39:55,720
control group and I'm in a minority of

736
00:40:02,930 --> 00:39:59,780
so-called ufologist on this particular

737
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:02,940
subject and that's the

738
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:07,530
that's majestic 12 or mj-12 I think the

739
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:11,450
Truman did authorize a control group

740
00:40:18,620 --> 00:40:14,160
whether it was actually called majestic

741
00:40:20,420 --> 00:40:18,630
12 or mj-12 or not seems to be some

742
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:20,430
reason to believe that that was

743
00:40:29,450 --> 00:40:25,530
originally the name but I think that

744
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:29,460
there was a control group that Truman

745
00:40:38,109 --> 00:40:33,530
organized I think the Truman wanted the

746
00:40:42,770 --> 00:40:38,119
control to be handled by the White House

747
00:40:45,050 --> 00:40:42,780
everything that they found that this

748
00:40:48,890 --> 00:40:45,060
control group that he authorized bound

749
00:40:52,339 --> 00:40:48,900
was to come back to the White House and

750
00:40:59,859 --> 00:40:52,349
would be in rest in the hands of the

751
00:41:04,640 --> 00:40:59,869
executive branch I think in my book I

752
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:04,650
have the hypothesis that that was taken

753
00:41:10,490 --> 00:41:07,770
away from the executive branch as time

754
00:41:13,819 --> 00:41:10,500
progressed starting with the Eisenhower

755
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:13,829
late in eisenhower administration moving

756
00:41:18,890 --> 00:41:16,560
forward so that today that presidents

757
00:41:21,230 --> 00:41:18,900
really are not really are not in the

758
00:41:24,260 --> 00:41:21,240
loop of knowledge I agree hundred

759
00:41:27,410 --> 00:41:24,270
percent yeah but I think if there is a

760
00:41:29,300 --> 00:41:27,420
control group yeah i agree 100 i agree

761
00:41:32,780 --> 00:41:29,310
one hundred percent presidents come I

762
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:32,790
mean in the early 50s and maybe into the

763
00:41:37,130 --> 00:41:35,760
early 60s they were they being the

764
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:37,140
government was still trying to get a

765
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:38,970
handle on what they were dealing with

766
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:42,210
but now as it's you know progress I

767
00:41:48,349 --> 00:41:44,250
don't think any of the presidents have a

768
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:48,359
clue in regards to what we're dealing

769
00:41:52,250 --> 00:41:50,880
with on the ET level and I and I once

770
00:41:56,030 --> 00:41:52,260
again i agree with you a hundred percent

771
00:41:59,089 --> 00:41:56,040
that if if and i'm one of those that

772
00:42:03,430 --> 00:41:59,099
believe Roswell's the real deal okay I

773
00:42:06,589 --> 00:42:03,440
think that's the hinge pins of ufology

774
00:42:08,900 --> 00:42:06,599
disprove that and ufology would pretty

775
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:08,910
much collapse but the problem is they

776
00:42:14,059 --> 00:42:11,970
can't because it's the real deal and I

777
00:42:16,430 --> 00:42:14,069
think Truman got it dumped in his lap

778
00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:16,440
because it was no accident Larry

779
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:18,089
correct me if I'm wrong but what eight

780
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:20,400
weeks after the roswell incident he

781
00:42:26,510 --> 00:42:23,280
signs into law the National Security Act

782
00:42:28,099 --> 00:42:26,520
and I I'm one of those that believes it

783
00:42:30,109 --> 00:42:28,109
was a direct result of what they

784
00:42:32,660 --> 00:42:30,119
recovered in the Met and the desert of

785
00:42:35,559 --> 00:42:32,670
New Mexico I believe that I think you're

786
00:42:40,910 --> 00:42:35,569
right I think you're exactly right oh

787
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:40,920
don't disagree with you at all and I

788
00:42:49,130 --> 00:42:44,250
think that he the Truman wanted the

789
00:42:52,210 --> 00:42:49,140
executive branch to to control this and

790
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:52,220
it and it was highly classified

791
00:43:03,740 --> 00:42:55,530
absolutely today pass i think i think

792
00:43:10,010 --> 00:43:03,750
that it was as we had these secrets we

793
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:10,020
had this these crashed craft which is

794
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:12,560
I've had a lot of people say how you

795
00:43:19,010 --> 00:43:16,410
have these craft fly across the vastness

796
00:43:23,329 --> 00:43:19,020
of space and come in crash well that's

797
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:23,339
another story we can get into but having

798
00:43:34,490 --> 00:43:30,930
this this debris or this technology and

799
00:43:39,140 --> 00:43:34,500
turning it over to the intelligence

800
00:43:43,700 --> 00:43:39,150
community and then to the military

801
00:43:46,190 --> 00:43:43,710
industrial complex great power was

802
00:43:48,410 --> 00:43:46,200
amassed money was put into it and great

803
00:43:51,470 --> 00:43:48,420
power was the mast and the control was

804
00:43:53,390 --> 00:43:51,480
taken away from the executive branch and

805
00:43:56,569 --> 00:43:53,400
into the hands of the intelligence

806
00:43:58,819 --> 00:43:56,579
community and to very high-ranking

807
00:44:02,120 --> 00:43:58,829
individuals in the military industrial

808
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complex and make no mistake the

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military-industrial complex are can keep

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better secrets than the intelligence

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community can I know I you know Larry I

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have to chuckle because people and I'm

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like this hell they got secrets

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concerning World War one that we don't

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know about an enema and they won't

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release information on you're glad to

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